[Olsr-dev] Bug Secure Plugin - Endianness ?

Henning Rogge (spam-protected)
Mon May 16 11:36:05 CEST 2011

On Sun May 15 2011 23:00:25 Roar Bjørgum Rotvik wrote:
> Sure, but one of the design criteria was that we could trust other
> nodes. This trust was verified by another system that let us distribute
> the group key to a authenticated node. A new node has to authenticate it
> self to existing nodes and if one of the existing nodes can say that it
> "trust" the new node, all other existing nodes in the network trust this
> new node, so we get a chain of trust.

The problem I see with this is that most people don' get the abilities and 
limitations of this security concept.

Hop-by-Hop trust/security should be done one the link layer if possible in my 

> But as far as I can remember the decision to use a separate message for
> signature of other olsr messages, was to be compatible with other nodes
> not using the secure plug-in and let non-secured nodes see and use the
> secured nodes olsr messages, allowing secured nodes to participate in a
> bigger olsr ad hoc network (to create a secured subnet within a
> community network as an example).
Yes, this limitation of the olsr v1 packet format can really be a pain for 
many things.
> Wasn't it so that MPR nodes forwarded all other messages, even messages
> that it self could not parse? I remember it that way. So that would let
> MPR nodes without secure plug-in forward signature messages through the
> network so that the secured network would work over several hops.
Yes it is that way... but your signature messages have TTL 1, so they are not 

If I understand the plugin code right, the "authentication message" is just a  
good idea to work around the limitations of the packet format.

> If you start to encrypt every message, you will get a lot of overhead
> per olsr packet (one packet may contain several messages, each would
> need to be encrypted) plus generate a signature for the whole packet
> (you meant for the whole packet and not per message?) and you would need
> to create proprietary messages that is not understood by nodes not using
> your encryption design.
No, I was talking about "per message" signatures (or encryption)...  so that 
you can distribute the message with its signature over the whole mesh.

Some kind of end-to-end authentication (and maybe encryption) for the meshs 
routing messages.
Henning Rogge
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